Approach.
I'm delighted by the absence of idiotic "Jesus Loves You" post-its on AA's bulletin in the HSS. Perhaps you have been quicker at taking them down, or people stopped bothering to post them. Either way, it's all good.
I have been watching AA's bulletins and articles in the Paisano about the organization with interest since I started here @ UTSA this fall. While I agree in general with what you are trying to do, I think your cause suffers from the mudslinging seemingly going back and forth between your organization and local Jesusfolk. For a while I saw less than polite replies to the "Jesus Loves You" messages and other Christian propaganda pasted on your bulletin, and while I don't know whether those replies were by members of your organization or random walkers-by who decided to vent all over the poster, either way it didn't look good.
I recently saw an article about the Smut For Smut days you organize on occasion. Tickled pink by the mere concept, and the thought of turning in some of the religious hoopla mags we keep getting (courtesy of my mother-in-law) for some fresh wank material, I told my wife about Smut For Smut, who asked me a poignant question: "What do they hope to accomplish?"
Good question.
I have always understood atheism as denying the existence of a superior entity, a "god", a bearded dude in the sky pulling the strings. I never saw atheism as being the foundation for ridicule, or hatred, of religion. You may tell a journalist that you want to engage people in intelligent debate and open minds, but some of the material you have on your web site, for example, including the Smut For Smut project, paint a very different picture.
Because through much of what you are saying, it seems as if instead of blindly believing in something, you choose to blindly hate those who do. Perhaps you as individuals detest religion (a stance which I quite sympathize with), but as an organization, by being so visibly resentful of religion, Christianity in particular, you come across as being spiteful and just as close-minded as those who you are trying to challenge. It means that you're not presenting yourself as being right, just yelling louder.
In a country where almost everyone seem to be steeped neck deep in one form of blind faith or another, you should focus on reaching those whose minds are open, not those whose minds are closed, because the approach you are taking right now is only good for closing them.
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Smut for Smut was primarily
Smut for Smut was primarily intended to generate discussion. It did. Secondary purpose: laughs. Check. Tertiary purpose: get a few religious texts to keep as a library for debate purposes. Yes indeedy.
Atheist Agenda would be pretty drab if it were just a bunch of people in a room saying, "Yep, God doesn't exist. Didn't last week either." We need something to do for fun and to generate interest around campus, and since it usually takes an atheist to expose religion for the cancer it is, that is what we have decided to do - unapologetically.
Atheists have been shat upon by society for thousands of years, and not speaking up about it has only exacerbated the problem. By being public about our views, we remind theists that we exist and that we will never go away, however much we offend or terrify them. We offend and terrify by our very presence anyway, and they won't like us any better if we pussy-foot around our identity. We almost always try to soften or divert the blow with an element of humor, and it's not our fault the average schmuck doesn't understand satire. This is not to say we never engage in serious discussion - it's not just mockery - but we try to debunk flawed arguments in jest as often as not.
Oh yeah, some of us started up the Secular Student Alliance as a general "freethought" group for people who didn't like AA's brazen tactics. I was president of it for a semester, in fact. Guess how big their presence on campus is.
Good points
We are a mostly social group, and we try and keep it fun. Being the ho-hum atheists that say "Oh science and faith CAN live together" is just some pacifist bullshit, and doesn't accomplish anything.
We've actually gotten alot of people at our events asking about meetings, and the like, so these loud events, give people, I think, the courage to "come out" and the knowledge that there is a sizeable crowd of people who share similar beliefs.
Also, lol'd at "Religion is the cancer that is killing free-thought".
Hmmm. I guess that makes me
Hmmm. I guess that makes me a schmuck AND a ho-hum atheist full of pacifist bullshit.
You say that it is bullshit to admit that people who believe in a god, and those that do not, can co-exist? Personally, I believe they can. You prefer to, I don't know, spew insults? I'm full of pacifist bullshit... Well, it's an opinion.
There is a difference between understanding satire, and not always considering it appropriate. Always going for the shock value makes it seem as if that is all there is to your cause.
My post was not intended as an attack, just as a suggestion as to how make your group seem as though you are above the level of those Christians that smear off-topic drivel on your posters. Obviously my presence here is unwelcome. :)
Best wishes and much success for you on the path you have chosen.
lol someones butthurt
i said faith and science cannot coexist.
as in ideas. not people.
the ideas are direct opposite, and the people are not an enteriety of their belief. ie, a theist is more than just a vessel for religion.
As for insult spewing... Pacifism really does accomplish nothing. It maintains the status quo, and nothing else.
As for shock value, the only people who are really shocked are those who dislike us already. Most others get a quick laugh, and keep going about their life.
The people who want to join our group, will. Those who are afraid to be outspoken will find SSA a better home. We also don't rip and tear CRU's posters, or deface them. We don't goto their events and shout at them (actually at their last event we ended having a theological discussion).
tl;dr those who get offended, will always be offended.
Agreed, but I think you mean
Agreed, but I think you mean "passivity" rather than "pacifism"... cause I've never heard of an atheist that wants to go kill people for atheism (aside from Thomas).
The thing is, we don't
The thing is, we don't ALWAYS go for shock value. Sometimes it's necessary. We always back it up with something.
You aren't unwelcome here. We appreciate your suggestion, and I defended our methods.
Have a nice
Have a nice life
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"Debate over principles not topics." Stefan Molyneux
Have a nice life? How this
Have a nice life? How this that constructive to the discussion? You're a douche.
Educated men are as superior to uneduacated men as the living are to the dead.
-Aristotle
She already said that she
She already said that she didn't want to continue the conversation...douche
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I don't think AA is going
I don't think AA is going for shock value more than any other group, it's just that most people haven't heard their side before. I know I would have ignored AA as a bunch of uptight snobs if it wasn't for their Smut for Smut project, and at first it really offended me. But it also inspired me to ask a lot of questions and get much better understanding of atheism, theism, and myself.